ZERO CLICK MARKETING PODCAST AI

Why You're Losing to AI and How to Fix it

with Wil Reynolds, CEO of Seer Interactive

AI search is exposing how much of SEO work was built on shortcuts. Wil argues that the long-term marketing strategy for brands is to focus on earning trust. He discusses why AI and Google are only proxies for human trust.

Read Wil's key takeaways

 


Wil Reynolds, Seer's founder and CEO, recently talked about AI search and why trust-building is the only durable marketing strategy on the Zero Clicks Marketing podcast, hosted by Amanda Natividad (Chief Evangelist at SparkToro and founder of Zero Click Marketing).

Below we cover Wil's top takeaways on why AI is really a moment of reset and how to build a reputable brand.

Wil's Key Takeaways

1. Earn Human Trust, Not Algorithmic Proxies

Wil's perspective: His favorite metric is the share of traffic that comes from social and direct sources like WhatsApp, Slack, Teams, email, etc. Those signals show that a real person curated or shared the content. Wil believes that if you earn human trust, you have a chance of winning both Google and AI - but chasing the proxies alone wins you neither. 

What your brand can do: Analyze your social and direct traffic sources - are they consistently low? If so, you might not be creating content that resonates with your audience. Prioritize content that customers and users want, content that helps answer questions or solves problems. 

2. AI Search Means Brands Need Receipts to Back Up Claims

Wil's perspective: In the old SEO model, brands could win rankings with keyword stuffing and by gaming the Google algorithms. AI works differently, by looking to validate brand claims against third-party sources. Wil mentions Banana Republic, which ranks for "ethical jeans" on Google but never appeared in 500 AI runs because AI showed brands with real proof (certifications, awards, media coverage).  

What your brand can do: Work across departments to build content that proves your brand's claims or desired narrative. AI can detect and discount shortcuts like mass-produced listicles and same-day directory launches. 

3. SEO and AI Visibility Aren't the Same

Wil's perspective: Some parts overlap, but SEO and GEO aren't the same. The differences matter, especially if you're sharing those numbers with executives. Visibility metrics can rise even when AI is telling people not to use your brand or relaying negative user reviews.

What your brand can do: Document why, when, and to whom you want to be visible. Then track top prompts on different AI platforms to see what AI is saying about your brand (and if you need to work to change the narrative). And don't rely on SEO tactics and KPIs for GEO - it won't work.

4. Personal Brand and Reputation Are More Valuable


Wil's perspective:
Since AI tends to cite brands and names it already trusts, people with established credibility and distribution have an advantage. Wil suggests leveraging the people in your company who already have a personal brand over paying influencers. Instead of asking "but what if they leave?" consider asking "what if they never join?"

What your brand can do: You can't shortcut your way into being cited by AI. Ask teammates who are already active in the community to play a bigger role in your brand, and encourage others interested in being more active to do so. Focus on earning citations by speaking up, helping people, and providing a product or service worth reviewing. 

 

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Wil Reynolds

CEO, Seer Interactive

Wil has over 15 years of experience doing and talking about digital marketing. He loves to speak at conferences about the future of search. He also enjoys sharing his ideas and marketing insights with his 42K LinkedIn followers.

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Amanda Natividad

ZCM Founder, Chief Evangelist at SparkToro

Amanda Natividad is the founder of Zero Click Marketing, a consultancy and media company, and co-author of the forthcoming book Zero Click Marketing. She is also Chief Evangelist at audience research startup SparkToro.

"You can't just put the text in the box. You have to actually say, is the thing in the box true? And how would I go find the receipts?"

- Wil Reynolds
CEO and Founder , Seer Interactive

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